Dead babies, do they automatically go to heaven?
Are we who proclaim to be against abortion-child-killing lacking in action because we believe things that may not be so?
This is my study of: Dead babies, do they automatically go to heaven?.
What scriptural thoughts might you have to share in response?
Below is a post of an unbeliever's question which I include to show that man's thinking. Then my answer from scripture.
Questions: S.P.Requiem Aug 25, 2016.
Do dead babies and fetuses automatically go to heaven?
It's said in the bible that all humans are born sinful, and should obtain salvation by believing in Jesus in order to go to heaven.
Which babies and fetuses clearly can't do.
So does that mean all dead babies and fetuses go to hell?
If so, then what's the point of their existence? They were created for the sole purpose to die an agonizing death then suffer eternal hell fire for no reason. What kind of a God would do that?
To counter this horrifying conclusion, Christians invented the concept of "age of accountability (and how old is that exactly?)". Which is nowhere to be found in the bible by the way.
They said that babies and toddlers before that age who can't make their own decisions, would go straight to heaven when they die.
Sounds pretty nice, right? But wait, that means it is only when people reach that age that they take the burden of sin and has the ticket to hell, and the majority of them do end up there. (Based on the fact that only 31% of the world population are Christians.)
Before age of accountability: 100% heaven.
After age of accountability: 31% heaven, 69% hell.
Adding that a few decades of life in this world is literally nothing compare to the afterlife of eternity.
Isn't the logical conclusion be: We should kill all the babies and fetuses before they reach the age of accountability?
Now, do you think dead babies and fetuses go to heaven or hell?
If heaven, how do you counter the "we should kill all babies" argument?
If hell, how do you justify God throwing babies to hell?
Tony Walker replies :
You present your question as someone who wants to know the truth.
By your statement “What kind of a God would do that?” you seem to expect God to be good. That is a very good starting point.
God loves everyone!
Do killed babies automatically go to heaven
What a lovely idea. Would a loving and merciful God do anything other?
Is there any possibility that they could end up in hell?
How is it possible to know? Scripture is my basis of knowing about Heaven, and who goes there, about God, and who he is, about Angels, and their role, and about hell, and who goes there, and devils . Scripture is how we should establish what we believe, and not base our believes on arguments of men.
So from the scriptures I present, yes there is provision made for all people even babies and the answer to killing babies, that You asked for. And you decide weather I am just making an argument of man.
Thanks for your time and thoughts
Jesus Said : (my comment in brackets)
John 3:14-20 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: (The penalty for sin was death. So God paid that penalty by giving his sinless son who volunteered to die in our place.) 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Now I know that the John 3:14-20 passage is not talking about babies it is just establishing what scripture says about salvation (Going to Heaven/Everlasting life). 1Corinthians 7:14 talks about the young ones.
1Cor 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
The word “sanctified” here does not mean saved/born-again it just is saying God is recognizing the babies/young-ones/children as holy if there is ONE believing/born-again spouse in the marriage. This is definitely a Scripture that talks about babies/young-ones and only some being holy and others unclean. God can not accept any unclean person, Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no ... unclean person, ... hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
God's hates "hands that shed innocent blood" Prov 6:16,17 and killing children obviously counts as doing so, and he considered child sacrifice to be abominable. Jeremiah 19:4-5 ... Thus saith God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle. Because they have forsaken me, ... and have filled this place with the blood of innocents; 5 They have ... burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind
As to the belief that all are sinners (eternally separated from God) even from conception in the womb, I present this scripture passage.
Romans 5:12-21 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
“God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Cor 5:21)
King David was a believer of God, and he says of his child that died,
2Sam 12:23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me. (This is an example of a child of a God believing person)
So from the scriptures I presented, “Yes there is provision made for all people even babies, and the answer to killing babies”, that You asked for. Also the picture of the babies that you show is unscriptural in that nowhere does scripture teach that we get wings or become angels.
Unclean, Do unclean children go to heaven ?
1Cor 7:12-14 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no ..., unclean person, ..., hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Hosea 4: 6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shall be no priest to me: seeing you have forgotten the law of God. I will also forget your children.
(What else could be meant by I will also forget your children)
Three Life Examples from scripture:
God saved the righteous out of Sodom. Only 4 people but not one unbeliever's child.
Gen 19:15-16 And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city. 16 And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.
Daniel's false accusers' children got the punishment that the fathers got. God did not save the children from the lions.
Dan 6:24 And the king commanded, and they brought those men which had accused Daniel, and they cast them into the den of lions, them, their children, and their wives; and the lions had the mastery of them, and brake all their bones in pieces or ever they came at the bottom of the den.
Moses and/or God made no attempt to save the lives of Korah's, Dathan's, and Abiram's children as the earth opened up and they all perished together with their parents.
Num 16:26 And he spake unto the congregation, saying, Depart, I pray you, from the tents of these wicked men, and touch nothing of theirs, lest ye be consumed in all their sins.
Num 16:27-33 So they gat up from the tabernacle of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram, on every side: and Dathan and Abiram came out, and stood in the door of their tents, and their wives, and their sons, and their little children. 28 And Moses said, Hereby ye shall know that the LORD hath sent me to do all these works; for I have not done them of mine own mind. 29 If these men die the common death of all men, or if they be visited after the visitation of all men; then the LORD hath not sent me. 30 But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD. 31 And it came to pass, as he had made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground clave asunder that was under them: 32 And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. 33 They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation. (even their little children were not saved from this event)
42 of These little children got attracted by bears.
2Kgs 2:23-24 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare (H1234) forty and two children of them.
Tare: meaning from Strong's Concordance:
Tare: H1234 בָּקַע baqa` (baw-kah') v.
1. to cleave, (generally) to rend, break, rip or open
Did these little children die? I do not know. But there was certainly judgment on them.
Matt 18:23-25 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. 24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. 25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
Dead babies, do they automatically go to heaven?.
What scriptural thoughts might you have to share in response?
Killing or Not 2 ?
Killing or not?
Any time we end life we call it killing. (I killed the grass, I killed the pig) To say that ending the life of the child within is not killing is denying truth. The word Abortion is a nice euphemism to not have to face the truth of the ending of the children's lives.